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Category: REVIEWS BY CYMRU MARKETING (Page 2 of 2)

Reviews about businesses as told by Cymru Marketing. All opinions ar backed up by citations or evidence.

What Appliance Retailers Do Not Tell You (Part 3 Ongoing Saga).

www.argos.co.uk

Argos Appliance Disclaimer For Buyers and Hot Zone Instructions For the Consumer to know everything they need to know prior to purchase.

RECAP & UPDATE ON ONGOING APPLIANCE RETAILER SAGA.

I have added the links below to the posts I made previously.

Previous Posts:

RECAP OF ONGOING APPLIANCE PURCHASE SAGA!

  1. In October I bought a electric cooker with installation and recycling and found out after my purchase because I had not bought like for like the installation could not happen because I had a gas cooker. I then cancelled my order and bought a like for like Gas for Gas with installation and recycling.
  2. Two months later my cooker arrives (last Thursday to be precise) and I was told they could not install the cooker because my splash back was not high enough and my sockets where inside the hot zone.

So you can imagine my distain when I am told a few days before Christmas and on the Eve of the Lockdown in Wales that my cooker cannot be installed.

Finding someone before Christmas and on Lockdown is proving to be impossible.

So my Christmas is ruined!

On top of this all my food has perished what could not be frozen and I have been subjected to takeouts for my family.

Obviously I am angry and I need to teach people about ‘Hot Zones’ as Argos have not.

Had I have known in the beginning about ‘Hot Zones’ precisely two months ago, I had ample time to sort any issues out before delivery but I was none the wiser because Argos did not have anything on their website to forewarn me.

UPDATE TODAY!

Now fast forward to today after I had emailed Mr S.Roberts CEO of Sainsbury which Argos own I get a phone call form Argos offering an olive branch and an apology.

Should I have accepted their token of goodwil?, well it was either that or nothing I suppose.

The token was an e-voucher for £75.00

Granted they did give £50 goodwill voucher back in October so the total I have received will be £125 in goodwill gestures but this is just a band aid on a gaping wound.

How much is compensation for a ruined Chirstmas worth, including persished food and takeouts, let alone the non cooked Christmas Dinner on Christmas Day, I wonder?

This farce should have never happened!

I am sure I am not the only one this has happed to….

However the spokesperson for Argos I spoke to today said she understood my dilemma and that Argos will be putting something on their website about ‘Hot Zones’ but my argument was that the people delivering my cooker (DHL) could have installed the cooker.

The spokeperson for Argos said that one cannot make someone install a cooker and do something illegal if it does not meet safety regulations (I do not disagree but the retailer should have a disclaimer).

After the call had ended it came to mind that the delivery drivers aka engineers should have an Indemnity Disclaimer that the consumer signs taking away the onus of any liabiltiy from the retailer:

DISCLAIMER INDEMNITY

Buyer shall assume all financial and other obligations for Buyer Products, and Seller shall not incur any liability or responsibility to Buyer or to third parties arising out of or connected in any manner with Buyer Products. In no event shall Seller be liable for lost profits, special damages, consequential damages or contingent liabilities arising out of or connected in any manner with this Agreement or Buyer Products. Buyer shall defend, indemnify and hold harmless Seller and its affiliates, and their respective officers, directors, employees and agents, from and against all claims, liabilities, demands, damages, expenses and losses (including reasonable attorneys’ fees and expenses) arising out of or connected with (i) any manufacture, use, sale or other disposition of Buyer Products, or any other products of Buyer, by Buyer or any other party and (ii) any breach by Buyer of any of its obligations under this Agreement.

This disclaimer should be for all appliances including, cookers, washing machines dishwashers and the like. A simple piece of paper making sure nothing comes back on the retailer, in which this scenario could have been avoided.

Looks like I am going to be toasting marshmallows by candlelight on Christmas Day whilst everyone else will be tucking into a Christmas Dinner

🤬🎄🎅🦃

Merry Christmas Mr Roberts!

Perhaps Argos should hire me for my business consulting services considering I am having to get their house in order.

For Your Last Minute Christmas Shopping Delivered Before Christmas Visit Amazon.

What Appliance Retailers Do Not Tell You (Part 2 Ongoing Saga).

Learn Before You Buy Appliances.

I wrote on 11th October 2020 about a purchase I made from Argos. Now I cannot point the finger entirely on this retailer (As most probably all appliance retailers do not go above or beyond their call of duty) and because I used Argos the majority of my stress is related to Argos in this instance.

The original post you can read here: https://marketingagency.cymrumarketing.com/2020/10/11/what-electrical-appliance-wont-tell-you-before-buying/

Moving on just over two months later I finally get my Gas Cooker delivered. Not my first choice but none the less it was delivered, You have to remember I also paid for installation and recycling.

So me not being none the wiser assumed I would now have my cooker installed ready for me to cook my first meal this evening. You can just imagine the atmostphere when one of the engineers said the dreaded words “Excuse me, but you have a problem”. You could cut the air with a knife when he said this and I felt the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I was in shock what Argos said. Basically I could not have my new cooker installed because of safety regulations I needed a splash back and my socket which I have had for over 20 years was too low and was in the way of the ‘Hot Zone’.

Surely they should be able to install an appliance and if anything happened it would be on the onus of the consumer not the retailer?

If you look at Argos FAQ there are no diagrams and no mention of ‘Hot Zones’. https://www.argos.co.uk/help/faq/72459

Now I do have a splash back tiled area but by all accounts it was too low and I needed another row of tiles.

I was livid as no where does it mention on Argos’s website anything about the height, width of the ‘Hot Zone’. One literally has to scour the internet to find this information and for someone like myself who has no clue about safety regulations, why would I need to know this?, I do not rent out properties I am a private resident.

It should be up to the retailer to point out all the things one should do prior to purchasing an appliance.

But like with any business they do not care past the point you hand over your hard earned cash. All they want at the end of the day is a sale and if the sale then becomes a problem, it is not their problem but yours.

You can imagine my food has a use by date, tradesman are hard to arrange under our current climate so my food will perish because ARGOS did not point out what the consumer needed to know prior to making a purchase. All they asked was what socket I had and that was it.

I am fuming 🤬.

So for the purpose of this blog and after my experience I had to do some research to forewarn anyone buying a cooker, Gas or Electric to read the information I have now found out and is listed below.

I cannot even claim on my insurance as this I would assume is a ‘grey area and hard to argue’.

HOT ZONE.

The ‘Hot Zone’ by all accounts consists of an area directly above your cooker or hob. Before installation please make sure that this area is free from flammable items including wood, wallpaper, plug sockets, wiring or an overhanging boiler.

Electrical Rating’ Another thing to consider if you are changing from Gas to Electric you need to have your cooker hardwired to a 32 amp socket. Hardwiring is going to cost an arm and a leg. However if it is a standalone Gas for Gas (like for Like Gas) a 13 Amp socket should suffice. Although if you’re upgrading to a newer model, you may find there’s a considerable difference in the power needed. Prior to purchase, you can check the amp rating in the product specifications found in the item’s user manual.

So now consumers need to download the user manuals before purchacing their appliances, by all accounts.

All cookers need an ‘Aluminium Splashback’. Well if that is the case they should be sold together with the cookers and not have to be purchased seperately or the retailer makes it clear to the consumer (it is either a manufacturer problem or the retailer lets the consumer know in advance, should they need a spashback or not)!

This whole ordeal has been a horrendous nightmare from beginning to end and I am glad I do not have to do this again for the next few years.

This information I have shared should be mandantory on every retailers website and not just on a few Gas Engineers sites.

Gas Supply. Make sure there an existing gas supply to the installation point, and a 3 pin electric socket or cooker point within 1.5m of the installation location? If you don’t have a gas supply available, and want to use Liquefied Petroleum Gas (LPG), make sure the product you’re buying is LPG-convertible.

Again Something Argos Failed To Mention, although I do have a Window and have Good Ventilation, if you are installing a Gas Cooker you must have adequate ventilation. The consumer needs to know this.

It is not hard to add a few lines of text and this information onto a page of a website.

Ventilation

Gas safety regulations specify that there must be adequate ventilation in the room where the appliance is to be installed. If you don’t have a window or door to the outside world in your kitchen, think about opting for a suitable electric model instead.

VENTILATION MEASUREMENTS

Final Thoughts: Had I had known this information in advance I would have been better prepared.

Use this checklist before you order an Appliance. Make sure that:

1). Make sure you remove anything that may catch fire, any combustible items from the hot zone.

2). Double check that there is an existing gas or electric supply to the place you want your appliance installed.

3). Make sure you have a 3 pin electric socket or a big red switch within 1.5 meters of where your new cooking appliance is going to live.

4). You know where your gas/electric meters and fuse box are, as the drivers will need access.

5). You have double-checked there is suitable ventilation (a window or door to the outside world), in the room where your new cooking appliance is going to live.

6). That you have sufficient funds in your meter for the work to be carried out. (I do not have a meter but for those that do you need to have enough money to cover all installation time).

Will Argos compensate me for the stress I have endured, the food that has and will be perished whilst trying to sort out this mess?, I hardly doubt it, but if they did I would (possibly) consider putting in a good word, after all retailers need all the help they can at the moment. However if there is silence they will see the power of social media at its finest.

#Argos #ArgosRetailer #SimonRoberts

Want to make a complaint, go straight to the top, Apparantly Argos is owned by Sainsburys and the CEO is Simon Roberts.

Argos Limited
Mr Simon RobertsChief Executive
  
Emailsimon.roberts@sainsburys.co.uk
  
Advice from CEOemail.com  How to write your email to a CEO
  
Telephone01908 789171 (Direct)
Switchboard0345 640 2020
Websitehttps://www.argos.co.uk
Social Media
 
Postal AddressAvebury, 489-499 Avebury Boulevard, Milton Keynes, United Kingdom, MK9 2NW
Company Number01081551
Company StatusActive (Established 13/11/1972)
  
To the CEO do not underestimate the power of influencers.

Absolute Joke 🤬 !

If You are planning to buy Gifts this Christmas do not use Argos, buy from Amazon instead!

Amazon Age Restriction Policy

Amazon Age Restriction Policy.

According to Amazon age restriction policy:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201957120

Amazon will not deliver an item to ANYONE regardless if they are 18 or 88 without seeing photo ID for age restricted items.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/oct/29/amazon-delivery-restricted-items-alcohol-proof-identity

I can understand that some people may not look 18 or even 21 and in those cases it is perfectly acceptable for Amazon to ask for ID but if a person is 58 or 88 they obviously do not look 18 or younger, then this becomes debatable and ridiculous.

I am trying to get my head round this so if I did not show ID and in my case it was a knife that I had ordered and something bad happened say for example someone got stabbed with the knife I had ordered how does that effect the retailer that sold it to me?

What repercussions would Amazon or the retailer have? (They would not have any) and only I would be to blame and no one else other than myself and the person that used the knife for his/her own wrong doing.

Amazon age restriction policy needs to be re-evaluated as you cannot have one rule for one and not for the other. If that was the case every time anyone bought age restricted goods everyone 18 to 99 years of age would have to show ID to all retailers online and in-store in the UK.

According to Amazon they can not give the item to a neighbour yet the driver that delivered to me and I am 58 yrs old gave the parcel to my daughter even though he did not know if she was related to me or not? (She showed ID yet we have different surnames) or even if we lived in the same household as where I live is divided into flats and we were all congregated on the footpath outside the building.

I called out her name but that meant nothing, she could have been my neighbour. In fact I may not have been the person that was meant to have the delivery as I showed no ID.

So in theory I have just highlighted the shambles of the policy.

Amazon Quote “We take our responsibility in relation to the sale of age restricted items extremely seriously. Valid photographic ID and a signature of the recipient will be required upon delivery for all customers. Delivery to a neighbour, locker, pick-up point or nominated safe place location is not available for these items. If the recipient is not yet 18 years of age or over, and can’t show valid photo identification, the item will be returned to Amazon for re-delivery the following day”.

The law says you must show retailers photo id for certain items:

adult fireworks and sparklers – category F2 (outdoor use, confined areas) and category F3 (outdoor use, large open areas) fireworks18 and over
aerosol paint16 and over
alcohol18 and over
Christmas crackers12 and over
crossbows18 and over
knives / axes / blades18 and over
lighter refills containing butane18 and over
lottery tickets and ‘instant win’ cards16 and over
nicotine inhaling products18 and over
party poppers and similar low-hazard low-noise fireworks (category F1), except Christmas crackers16 and over
petrol16 and over
solvents and volatile substances18 and over – offence to supply or offer to supply to under 18s occurs only if the person knows or believes it is to be used for intoxication
sunbeds18 and over
tobacco18 and over
video recordings: U (universal)unrestricted
video recordings: PG (parental guidance)unrestricted
video recordings: classification 1212 and over
video recordings: classification 1515 and over
video recordings: classification 1818 and over
video recordings: classification R1818 years and over in a licensed sex shop
video games: PEGI rating 3unrestricted
video games: PEGI rating 7unrestricted
video games: PEGI rating 1212 and over
video games: PEGI rating 1616 and over
video games: PEGI rating 1818 and over
Age Restriction in the UK.

Amazon are on another planet if they are asking for photo ID of people clearly looking their age.

Why stop at Amazon why does every retailer in the country not start asking for everyone’s ID when buying Alcohol or Tobacco or any restricted goods regardless what age you are?

Why do the pubs and restaurants not ask everyone for ID when serving alcohol, because if they did a) it would be time consuming and b) they would not have any business left.

Amazon is a JOKE to ID people that clearly look older than 21 years of age.

This little episode clearly felt discriminating and caused a lot of stress because I cannot rush up a flight of stairs because someone snaps their fingers. The driver was clearly a sixpence short of a shilling (that is really showing my age) as he could not grasp the fact that photo ID is for people that do not look 21 years of age and look younger. Had I have not been saved by my daughter in the heated argument and was forced to show ID I would have insisted on his ID and had he refused to hand over my goods which I have paid for and money had already left my bank account. I would have every right to call the Police and have him done for theft.

The flip side of the coin is I had content to upload to my blog which I had not planned 🙂

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